Last quarter we sat in on a stack review with a Series B SaaS PMM. Her dashboard was beautiful. Weekly active users up 22%. Feature adoption on the new analytics module hit 81%. NPS held steady at 47. Pendo was firing tooltips. Customer.io was sending the lifecycle emails she designed. Intercom inbox was healthy.
Then she opened her G2 page. Twelve reviews. Last new one, four months old. Referral revenue last quarter? Zero. The case study queue had been "in legal review" since November.
That gap, between an engagement stack that hums and an advocacy outcome that flatlines, is the entire problem this post is about. Most B2B SaaS teams have already bought the engagement tools. What they don't have is a stack that turns engagement signals into advocacy actions. If you want the broader category overview first, our guide to what customer engagement tools are and how they fit a modern B2B SaaS stack covers the full landscape. This post is narrower and sharper: which seven tools actually move the needle from "engaged" to "advocating," and how to wire each one so it produces a measurable outcome and not just another dashboard.
The Engagement-to-Advocacy Gap
There's a model most CX teams quietly believe in: engagement leads to loyalty, loyalty leads to advocacy. It's not wrong, but it skips the hard part. Engagement is something the customer does with your product. Advocacy is something the customer does for your product, in front of other people, with their name attached. The leap between those two things is enormous, and very few engagement tools are designed to bridge it.
Bain & Company's research on the Net Promoter System found that, in most industries, Net Promoter Scores explain roughly 20% to 60% of the variation in organic growth rates among competitors, and the NPS leader in a category typically outgrows competitors by more than 2x. That correlation is real, but notice what it actually says: NPS doesn't cause growth, it predicts it. The companies that turn promoters into advocates are the ones that grow faster. The companies that just measure NPS and file the report grow at the average.
A 2024 Duel report on brand advocacy went further, finding that a 12-percentage-point increase in advocacy correlated with roughly a 2x increase in revenue growth across consumer brands they studied. Forrester's ongoing work on B2B buyer behavior reinforces the same pattern from the other side of the funnel: peer recommendations and verified customer evidence consistently outrank vendor-generated content in trust scores, often by 3-4x. UserEvidence, a B2B reference and proof platform, has argued that the modern advocacy stack now needs to solve three things at once: lack of relevant proof, advocate burnout, and unverified anonymous testimonials. Engagement tools alone solve none of those.
So here's the practical version of the framework:
| Layer | What it produces | What it does not produce |
|---|---|---|
| Engagement | Logins, sessions, feature adoption, message opens | Public proof, peer trust, pipeline |
| Loyalty | Renewals, expansion, NPS promoters | A G2 review, a referral, a LinkedIn post |
| Advocacy | Reviews, referrals, testimonials, case studies, references | (This is the output you want) |
A "great engagement stack" with no advocacy layer produces a healthy customer base that nobody outside your customer base ever hears about. That's the gap. The seven tools below are how you close it.
How to Read the Next Seven Sections
For each tool, you'll get four things:
- What it does - the core job.
- The engagement signal it captures - the data point that is most useful for advocacy, not just for the tool's own dashboard.
- How to wire it into an advocacy outcome - this is the differentiator. Most blog posts stop at "track NPS." We'll show you the trigger architecture that turns that signal into a published review.
- A concrete example - what good looks like.
You don't need all seven on day one. But the pattern across all seven is what makes the stack work. We'll show that pattern at the end.
1. Product Analytics - Mixpanel, Amplitude, Heap, PostHog
What it does
Product analytics platforms track every event a customer fires inside your product: clicks, page views, feature usage, funnel completions, retention curves. They are the foundation of any modern engagement stack, because they tell you what customers are actually doing (not what they say they're doing on a survey).
The category has consolidated around four serious vendors. Mixpanel charges per event with a 1M-events free tier; Amplitude charges per Monthly Tracked User with 10K MTUs free; Heap leans into autocapture and now bundles session replay; PostHog is an open-source, all-in-one platform that includes analytics, session replay, feature flags, surveys, and experimentation, with usage-based pricing roughly $0.00045 per event after 1M free monthly events. Each has a credible B2B SaaS customer base; the choice is mostly about pricing model and whether you want a single-purpose analytics tool or a bundled product platform.
The engagement signal that matters for advocacy
Forget DAU. Forget MAU. The signal you actually want is the moment a customer hits a meaningful milestone for the first time - first report exported, first integration connected, first invitation accepted by a teammate, first month with X active workspace members. These are the moments where a customer transitions from "trying it" to "got value from it." That transition is the only point at which they can give you an honest, specific advocacy answer.
How to wire it into an advocacy outcome
Treat your product analytics tool as the trigger source for your advocacy layer, not just a reporting tool. Concretely:
- Define 3-5 milestone events that signal real value capture (not vanity events like "logged in").
- Pipe those events into your CDP or warehouse (Segment, RudderStack, or native warehouse-export from Amplitude/PostHog).
- From there, route them to your advocacy automation tool so a milestone fires an in-context advocacy ask within 24-48 hours.
The mistake most teams make is keeping milestone events trapped inside the analytics tool, where they're used for retention dashboards and nothing else. Milestones are the most underused signal in B2B SaaS.
Concrete example
A B2B SaaS reporting tool defined "first scheduled report sent to 3+ stakeholders" as their key milestone. Customers who hit this event within 30 days of onboarding had a 4.2x higher likelihood of giving a 9-10 NPS score and a 6.1x higher likelihood of completing a G2 review when asked. By piping that event into their advocacy workflow, they roughly tripled review velocity in one quarter without acquiring a single new customer.
2. In-Product Onboarding - Pendo, Userpilot, Appcues, Chameleon
What it does
In-product onboarding tools deliver tooltips, tours, modals, banners, checklists, and contextual messages directly inside your product. They reduce time-to-value for new users and re-engage dormant ones with feature nudges. The dominant vendors in 2026 are Pendo (enterprise, analytics-heavy, reportedly $15K-$140K+ annually with quote-based modular pricing), Userpilot (transparent SaaS pricing starting around $299/month with built-in autocapture analytics), Appcues (started around $300/month for Start, $750/month for Growth, with strong PLG positioning), and Chameleon (lightweight, fast to ship, transparent pricing).
The engagement signal that matters for advocacy
The signal here is moments of success completion - specifically, the moment a customer finishes a checklist item, completes a tour, or self-serves their way through a high-value workflow. Most teams use these tools to push users into actions. The advocacy use case is the opposite: use the completion of those actions as the trigger to ask for something back.
How to wire it into an advocacy outcome
In-product onboarding tools sit at the closest possible distance to the customer's "I just got value" moment. That's gold for advocacy. Three plays:
- Post-completion micro-asks. When a customer finishes their setup checklist or completes a feature tour with a measurable success outcome, fire a single-question NPS or thumbs-up/down right there in-product. Don't email them tomorrow. Catch them while the success is fresh.
- In-product review prompts. For customers who score high on the micro-ask, surface a "leave a review on G2" CTA inside the same modal flow. Conversion on in-product review prompts consistently outperforms email by 3-5x in our experience and across reported PLG benchmarks.
- Segmented messaging. Use the segmentation built into Pendo or Userpilot to ensure you're only prompting customers who are healthy, paid, and not currently in a support escalation. The fastest way to burn an advocate is to ask them for a review the same week their CSM is firefighting a billing issue.
Concrete example
A mid-market analytics SaaS used Userpilot to fire an in-product NPS micro-survey 60 seconds after a user completed their fifth dashboard share. Promoters (9-10) were immediately shown a one-click G2 review CTA inside the same modal. Their G2 review velocity went from ~2 reviews/month (email-driven) to 11 reviews/month (in-product) within 90 days. Same audience, same product, different timing.
3. Customer Messaging - Intercom, Drift, HubSpot
What it does
Customer messaging tools handle inbound and outbound communication at scale: in-app chat, support inbox, email, knowledge base, AI agent deflection, proactive nudges. Intercom remains the category leader for product and support teams and starts at around $29/seat/month with usage-based AI fees and outbound message metering, with Essential climbing toward $74/seat at the upper tiers. Drift is now Salesloft-owned and focused on conversational marketing and pipeline acceleration; its Premium plan is reported to start around $2,500/month annually committed. HubSpot's Service Hub and Marketing Hub provide a tightly-integrated messaging layer at $20-$150/seat across tiers for teams already on the HubSpot CRM.
The engagement signal that matters for advocacy
Two specific signals: a CSAT 5/5 immediately after a resolved support conversation, and an inbound message expressing unsolicited delight ("this just saved my whole quarter"). Both are gold and both are usually wasted. The first goes into a CSAT report; the second sits in an inbox until the agent moves on to the next ticket.
How to wire it into an advocacy outcome
- Post-resolution asks. When a support ticket closes with CSAT 5/5, automatically follow up within 24 hours with an advocacy ask appropriate to the relationship depth. For new customers (under 3 months), ask for a one-line testimonial. For mature customers, escalate to a G2 review or a video clip.
- Sentiment routing. Use Intercom's AI or HubSpot's sentiment scoring on inbound messages to flag delighted-customer messages for the advocacy queue, not just the support queue. Most "this is the best tool I've ever used" messages get a "thanks!" reply and disappear. They should get a one-click "would you say that publicly?" follow-up.
- Reference matching. When sales requests a reference for a specific industry or use case, query your messaging history for customers who have proactively expressed delight in that vertical. This works better than CRM-based reference selection because the language is already there.
Concrete example
A SaaS HR-tech vendor wired Intercom CSAT 5/5 events to an advocacy automation flow. Customers who scored 5/5 received an in-app prompt 24 hours later: "Would you share that feedback with other HR leaders evaluating tools like ours?" with a one-click G2 link. Conversion: 31% of CSAT 5/5 customers wrote a review within 14 days. Compare to their cold email review-request baseline at around 4-6%.
4. NPS / VOC - Delighted, AskNicely, InMoment, Qualtrics
What it does
NPS and VOC tools collect structured satisfaction signals from customers at fixed touchpoints (post-onboarding, quarterly, post-support, post-renewal). Delighted offers Starter at $17/month for 100 responses and Premium at $224/month, but is reportedly sunsetting June 30, 2026, which is forcing many SaaS teams to migrate. AskNicely starts around $499/month and is volume-based, with stronger frontline team workflows. InMoment (which absorbed Wootric in 2021) starts around $199/month for Wootric-tier feature sets and scales up to enterprise CX tiers. Qualtrics is the research-grade enterprise option.
The engagement signal that matters for advocacy
A single number: the NPS 9 or 10 response, captured within 90 days of the customer's first major value milestone. Out-of-context NPS (the "we send NPS every six months" model) is far less predictive of advocacy behavior than NPS captured close to a value moment.
How to wire it into an advocacy outcome
This is the single highest-ROI integration in the whole stack. The NPS-to-review path is the most reliable advocacy flow we know of:
- Trigger NPS at value moments, not on a calendar. Pipe milestone events from your product analytics tool into your NPS tool to fire surveys at the right time.
- Auto-route promoters to your advocacy automation tool within 24 hours. Don't wait for the quarterly NPS report. Don't manually export the CSV. The score should fire a downstream advocacy workflow the moment it lands.
- Auto-route detractors to CS, not advocacy. Same trigger architecture, opposite destination. A 0-6 score should never enter an advocacy flow. It should enter a save play.
- Track promoter → review conversion as a first-class metric. If your promoter-to-review rate is below 15%, your activation flow is broken, not your customer base.
For a deeper guide on how to make this end-to-end flow work without burning advocates, our customer advocacy KPIs framework covers the metrics layer in detail.
Concrete example
A SaaS company with a 1,200-customer base ran NPS quarterly via Delighted. They averaged 18% promoter rate, but only 0.4% of promoters ever wrote a public review. After moving to milestone-triggered NPS and auto-routing 9-10 scores into an in-product review request within 24 hours, the same promoter base produced a 7.8% promoter-to-review conversion rate within one quarter. That's a roughly 19x lift on the same promoter pool, with zero new customers acquired.
5. Community - Circle, Bevy, Slack
What it does
Community platforms create a space where customers connect with each other (and your team) outside the product itself: peer Q&A, feature ideation, certification programs, user groups, regional events. Bevy is positioned as the events-and-community platform for enterprise SaaS, with Slack itself as a notable customer who built a global user community on Bevy's stack. Circle has emerged as the modern, well-designed default for cohort-driven and membership-style communities. Slack itself, used as a community platform via the free or pro plan, is still the dominant choice for technical and developer-led B2B communities.
The engagement signal that matters for advocacy
The signal here is peer-to-peer behavior: which customers answer other customers' questions, which ones share their workflows publicly, which ones post screenshots of dashboards or results unprompted. These behaviors are the strongest possible predictor of advocacy willingness, because the customer is already advocating - just inside your community instead of outside it.
How to wire it into an advocacy outcome
- Identify "internal advocates" using community data. Track post counts, helpful-vote counts, and replies-to-others counts per customer. The top 5-10% on these metrics are your highest-propensity external advocates, regardless of company size.
- Convert internal posts into external assets. A particularly good Slack thread, with the customer's permission, becomes a LinkedIn quote, a case-study seed, or a G2 review prompt. Build a workflow where community managers flag advocacy-worthy posts to your advocacy team weekly.
- Run advocate-only programs inside the community. Beta access, AMA invitations, advisory board nominations, exclusive office hours. The bi-directional value keeps advocates engaged for years.
Concrete example
A B2B SaaS DevOps tool with a 4,000-member Slack community tracked which members had answered three or more peer questions in the previous 90 days. That cohort, roughly 180 customers, was 11x more likely to write a G2 review when invited and 6x more likely to participate in a conference panel than the broader customer base. They became the company's "advocate bench" and produced over 60% of all advocacy assets the following year.
6. Customer Advocacy Automation - HighAdvocacy, Influitive, SlapFive, UserEvidence, Champion
What it does
This is the layer most B2B SaaS stacks are missing entirely. Advocacy automation tools take engagement signals (milestones, NPS, CSAT, community behavior) as inputs and produce advocacy outcomes (reviews, testimonials, referrals, references, case studies) as outputs. They are not survey tools. They are not review aggregators. They are the orchestration layer that connects everything else.
The category has shifted significantly in the past two years. Influitive, the historical category leader and pioneer of the gamified "advocate hub" model, has been in turbulence since its 2023 acquisition by Jigsaw and reported staff cuts. SlapFive remains a credible mid-market customer marketing platform, with strong reference management features and a mixed user-rated experience. UserEvidence has positioned itself as a GTM trust engine combining evidence collection, reference management, and advocacy activation. Champion is a newer entrant focused on advocacy engagement and activation. HighAdvocacy is the modern, automation-first option built specifically for B2B SaaS PMMs and CS teams, with AI Vision Verification, in-product triggers, and zero-admin workflows.
The engagement signal that matters for advocacy
This tool consumes signals from every other tool in this list. The signal it produces back is advocate state: where in the advocacy ladder each customer currently sits, when they last completed an action, and what the right next ask is. Without this state layer, every other tool is firing in isolation.
How to wire it into an advocacy outcome
This is where everything connects. Specifically:
- Use it as your advocacy system of record. No spreadsheets. No tribal CSM knowledge about who's been asked what. The tool tracks every advocacy ask, response, and completion across every customer.
- Connect every signal source. Product analytics milestones, NPS scores, CSAT events, community behavior, CRM renewal stage. Each becomes a trigger eligibility criterion.
- Verify outcomes automatically. AI verification (used by HighAdvocacy and increasingly by competitors) checks whether a review actually went live on G2 or Capterra without anyone manually searching for it. This is the difference between asking for a review and closing the loop on a review.
- Distribute the load. Smart scheduling ensures no single advocate gets asked more than once per quarter, regardless of which tool fired the trigger. Advocate burnout is the silent killer of advocacy programs, and it is fixable only at this layer.
If you want to see how this works in practice with the trigger and verification model wired together, our customer advocacy platform is built specifically for B2B SaaS PMMs running this exact pattern.
Concrete example
A 2,000-customer B2B SaaS replaced their spreadsheet-driven review program (tracked manually by a customer marketer) with an advocacy automation tool wired into their product analytics, NPS, and Intercom CSAT data. Within one quarter, time spent per review dropped from ~45 minutes per review (chasing, verifying, screenshotting) to under 5 minutes. Review velocity went from 6/month to 27/month. The customer marketer's time was reallocated to case studies and the program scaled without adding headcount.
For the broader playbook on standing this up from scratch, the customer advocacy program build guide walks through the operational rollout in 90 days.
7. Referral Program - PartnerStack, Referral Rock, Friendbuy
What it does
Referral software tracks the full lifecycle of a customer-introduced lead: invitation, click, signup, qualification, conversion, reward payout. The B2B-strength options are PartnerStack (quote-based contracts with platform license plus transaction fees, designed as a full PRM), Referral Rock (CRM-aware referral lifecycle tracking with HubSpot and Salesforce integrations, supports multi-stage attribution from lead submission to deal close), and Friendbuy (enterprise referral and loyalty platform with custom pricing and strong A/B testing).
The engagement signal that matters for advocacy
The signal here is referral revenue per advocate per quarter - not referral clicks, not referral signups, but actual closed-won pipeline. This is the metric that connects advocacy back to the P&L, and it's the metric your CFO will care about more than any other.
How to wire it into an advocacy outcome
Referral is the closing loop in the engagement-to-advocacy flywheel. Two non-obvious plays:
- Trigger referral invitations on advocacy completions, not on calendar dates. A customer who just wrote a G2 review is in the highest-possible state of advocacy energy. That is the right moment to fire a referral invite, not three months later in a generic email blast.
- Use referral revenue as your advocacy attribution. Tag every referred deal back to the originating advocate. When you can show in a board meeting that "advocates generated $487K in pipeline this quarter," advocacy stops being a brand initiative and becomes a revenue function.
Concrete example
A 600-customer B2B SaaS wired their advocacy automation tool to their referral platform. Whenever a customer completed a high-tier advocacy action (G2 review, video testimonial, or webinar appearance), the referral tool automatically generated a personalized referral link with a custom incentive ($500 credit to giver, $500 credit to receiver). 14% of advocates who completed a high-tier action within a quarter generated at least one closed referred deal in the following two quarters. Their referral-attributable pipeline grew 3.4x year over year, with no new tools added beyond connecting the two existing ones.
The 7-Tool Stack At a Glance
| # | Tool | Category | Engagement Signal It Captures | Advocacy Outcome It Drives |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Mixpanel / Amplitude / Heap / PostHog | Product analytics | First-time milestone completion | Triggers downstream advocacy ask at the right moment |
| 2 | Pendo / Userpilot / Appcues / Chameleon | In-product onboarding | Checklist + tour completion | In-product review prompts and micro-NPS at success moment |
| 3 | Intercom / Drift / HubSpot | Customer messaging | CSAT 5/5, delighted inbound | Post-resolution review asks; reference matching |
| 4 | Delighted / AskNicely / InMoment / Qualtrics | NPS / VOC | NPS 9-10 at value milestone | Auto-routes promoters into advocacy flow |
| 5 | Circle / Bevy / Slack | Community | Peer-to-peer help, sharing behavior | Identifies highest-propensity advocates; bi-directional engagement |
| 6 | HighAdvocacy / Influitive / SlapFive / UserEvidence / Champion | Advocacy automation | All of the above, consumed and orchestrated | Reviews, testimonials, references, with verification + load balancing |
| 7 | PartnerStack / Referral Rock / Friendbuy | Referral | Referral clicks, signups, closed-won | Closed-won pipeline attributed to advocates |
The Integration Pattern (The Reason This Works)
Each of the seven tools in isolation has a marginal effect on advocacy. The integration pattern is what produces the outsized result. Here it is in prose, because it's worth understanding before you draw it on a whiteboard:
A customer hits a milestone in your product. Product analytics (1) captures the event and fires it to your CDP. NPS / VOC (4) picks up the trigger and sends a one-question survey at the right moment, in-context, often via the in-product onboarding tool (2) or via customer messaging (3) depending on where the customer lives. The customer scores 9 or 10. The score lands in your advocacy automation platform (6), which checks the customer's recent ask history (no recent asks, eligible for a high-tier action), the customer's relationship depth (>6 months, ready for a real ask), and the customer's behavioral context (active in community (5) as a helper, signaling high willingness). The platform fires a personalized G2 review request inside the product within 24 hours. The customer leaves a review. AI verification confirms it's published. The platform marks the action complete and immediately fires a referral program (7) invitation: "Loved sharing your experience? Invite a peer and you both get $500 credit." Four weeks later, a referred prospect closes for $24K ARR. Attribution flows back to the advocate, who gets recognized in the next quarterly newsletter and invited to your advisory board.
That's the entire flywheel. Most B2B SaaS teams have steps 1, 2, 3, and 4 already operational. The reason advocacy outcomes don't follow is that the connective tissue between steps 4 and 7 is missing. You can spend $200K a year on the first four tools and still produce zero advocacy outcomes if step 6 isn't wired in.
What to Do Next Week (5-Step Checklist for PMMs)
If you're sitting on an engagement stack that produces healthy dashboards but flat advocacy outcomes, here's the operational sequence to fix it. None of this requires new tooling beyond what you probably already own, with one exception (step 4).
1. Audit your existing stack. List every customer engagement tool you currently pay for. For each one, write the outputs it produces. If "G2 review," "referred lead," or "case study" doesn't appear next to any of them, that's the gap.
2. Define your three milestone events. Pick the three product events that most reliably mean "this customer just got real value." Get your analytics team to confirm these are tracked cleanly and exportable. Most teams have these events; few teams use them as advocacy triggers.
3. Connect NPS to a milestone, not a calendar. Whatever NPS tool you use, change the trigger from "every quarter" to "30 days after milestone X." This single change is often the difference between a 1% and a 7% promoter-to-review conversion rate.
4. Add the advocacy automation layer. This is the missing tool for most teams. It doesn't have to be expensive. A platform that consumes your milestone events and NPS scores, fires advocacy asks within 24 hours, and verifies the resulting reviews automatically pays for itself the moment your G2 review velocity doubles.
5. Tag every referred deal. In your CRM, add a custom field for advocacy source. Every time a deal closes that came from a referral, review-influenced visit, or case study download, log the originating advocate. Build the attribution muscle now, even if your advocacy program is small. The attribution data is what wins the next budget cycle.
For a deeper template on the program-build side (the operational rhythms, the team rituals, the quarterly cadence), our step-by-step guide to building a customer advocacy program from scratch walks through a 90-day rollout plan.
A Note on What This Stack Is Not
The seven tools above are the ones we recommend because they each have a clear, measurable role in producing advocacy outcomes. There are categories we deliberately left out, even though they often appear in "customer engagement" lists:
- Lifecycle email tools (Customer.io, Iterable, Klaviyo) are useful for engagement but rarely the right channel for advocacy asks. Email-only review requests typically convert at 4-8%; in-product asks convert at 15-30%. Email is the fallback channel, not the primary one.
- Customer success platforms (Gainsight, ChurnZero, Vitally) are essential for retention but are not advocacy infrastructure. They tell you who the candidates are; they don't drive the action.
- Generic survey tools (Typeform, SurveyMonkey) are fine for ad hoc research but don't carry the trigger architecture or the in-product context that makes advocacy asks convert.
This isn't a knock on those tools. It's that the engagement-to-advocacy gap is a specific problem that requires specific infrastructure. Don't try to solve it by reconfiguring your email tool.
For the broader category breakdown of every type of engagement tool and where each fits in a mature B2B SaaS stack, our comprehensive guide to customer engagement tools covers the full landscape with stage-by-stage stack recommendations.
Conclusion: Activity Is Not Outcomes
Most engagement dashboards measure the things that are easiest to measure: logins, sessions, opens, clicks, feature adoption. Those metrics correlate with advocacy, but they don't produce it. They are the inputs. The outputs are reviews, referrals, testimonials, and references - the assets that show up in your buyer's research, in your sales reps' competitive deals, and in your CFO's CAC calculations.
The seven tools in this post are not a wishlist. They are the operational stack that produces those outputs at scale. You don't need all seven on day one. You need the pattern: a milestone event triggers a contextual ask, the response is routed through an advocacy automation layer, the resulting action is verified, and the loop closes back to revenue through referrals.
If you wire that pattern correctly, the difference shows up within a quarter. We've seen teams move from 12 G2 reviews and zero referral revenue to 50+ reviews and a measurable referral-attributable pipeline number in less than 90 days. The tools they used were mostly tools they already owned. The thing they added was the integration logic and an advocacy automation layer to orchestrate it.
If you're ready to see what that orchestration layer looks like end-to-end, our customer advocacy platform is built for exactly this pattern: in-product triggers, AI verification, and zero-admin workflows that turn the engagement signals you already capture into advocacy outcomes that drive revenue.
The companies that will outrank competitors on G2, win competitive deals on peer trust, and compound their organic growth advantage over the next two years won't be the ones with the biggest engagement dashboards. They'll be the ones whose engagement stack actually produces advocacy on the other end.




